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Posted by Noctlillucent on June 14, 19101 at 14:50:42:

Consider this argument:

Let’s ume that one’s consciousness is a product of the brain. If true, we can imagine a physically identical second brain, configured exactly as yours is now. This invokes no logically impossible feat or violation of any physical law.

Now, would you be conscious as the second brain as well? If the physiological theory of the mind were true, the answer would appear to be ‘yes’. The fact the second brain is made of a different set of atoms shouldn’t make any difference because the atoms in your present brain are being constantly replaced, yet you continue to exist. Therefore, so long as the second brain is configured the same way as the first, you should exist in both.

Here’s the problem. Suppose both brains are functioning and one brain is stimulated to create the sensation of severe pain, and the other brain is not stimulated, and so experiences no pain.

Following this theory consistently, you should experience both severe pain and no pain AT THE SAME TIME? That is a logically impossible state.

The physiological theory, then, is caught contradicting itself. And obviously no physical theory of consciousness is true if it can allow for its own contradiction.

Comments?

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Up here John Noctillucent 09:17:24 7/13/101 (31)
- There ya are. John Tchoe 13:54:34 7/13/101 (30)
  - Sorry about the delay... Noctillucent 18:50:37 7/16/101 (29)
    - What in bloody hell? John Tchoe 02:09:34 7/18/101 (28)
      - Re: What in bloody hell? Noctillucent 19:39:38 7/18/101 (27)
        
        Who are you? John Tchoe 14:10:22 7/19/101 (26)
        
        Luck and insects Noctillucent 23:21:09 7/19/101 (25)
        
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        Meaningful vs. favorable. John Tchoe 22:09:29 7/26/101 (10)
        
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        Vroom, vroom. John Tchoe 11:59:03 7/27/101 (8)
        
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        Re: Vroom, vroom. Noctillucent 16:25:38 7/28/101 (6)
        
        What makes the parts go vroom? Karma Police 23:22:31 7/28/101 (5)
        
        Ah. John Tchoe 16:15:36 8/01/101 (4)
        
        Re: Ah. Noct 12:49:46 8/03/101 (3)
        
        A boatload of nonsense. John Tchoe 17:28:15 8/04/101 (2)
        
        Re: A boatload of nonsense. Noct 11:04:17 8/06/101 (1)
        
        Does one need to be a mechanic to be a good driver? John Tchoe 17:18:36 8/15/101 (0)
        
        Re: Luck and insects Karma Police 20:57:27 7/23/101 (10)
        
        A 'skeptical' solipsist Noctillucent 23:18:51 7/25/101 (5)
        
        Re: A 'skeptical' solipsist Karma Police 11:56:12 7/29/101 (4)
        
        Re: A 'skeptical' solipsist Noctillucent 19:24:35 7/29/101 (3)
        
        Re: A 'skeptical' solipsist Karma Police 21:35:18 7/30/101 (2)
        
        Re: A 'skeptical' solipsist Noctillucent 03:12:11 7/31/101 (1)
        
        Re: A 'skeptical' solipsist Charm 18:50:45 4/13/104 (0)
        
        Pfft. John Tchoe 11:51:24 7/24/101 (3)
        
        Ready the Straw :-) Karma Police 01:18:24 7/25/101 (2)
        
        Here goes... John Tchoe 15:34:47 7/25/101 (1)
        
        Re: Here goes... Karma Police 11:49:06 7/29/101 (0)
        
        Off for the weekend : ) Noctillucent 20:55:53 7/20/101 (0)
Re: Mind reducible to the brain? An argument against. John Tchoe 21:27:49 6/17/101 (45)
- Re: Mind reducible to the brain? An argument against. xls 22:53:00 6/20/101 (0)
- I think you’re overlooking something. Noctillucent 17:12:37 6/20/101 (43)
  - I think you’re EVADING something. John Tchoe 19:32:52 6/20/101 (42)
    - Consciousness IS the brain? Noctillucent 22:21:20 6/20/101 (41)
      - Re: Consciousness IS the brain? John Tchoe 13:39:37 6/21/101 (40)
        
        Re: Consciousness IS the brain? Noctillucent 23:13:34 6/21/101 (39)
        
        Re: Consciousness IS the brain? John Tchoe 02:41:50 6/22/101 (38)
        
        Question? Noctillucent 22:42:39 6/25/101 (22)
        
        Brain = mind, sort of. John Tchoe 13:18:38 6/26/101 (21)
        
        Re: Brain = mind, sort of. Noctillucent 22:39:47 6/26/101 (20)
        
        Re: Brain = mind, sort of. John Tchoe 11:26:24 6/27/101 (19)
        
        Re: Brain = mind, sort of. Noctillucent 09:24:21 6/28/101 (18)
        
        Re: Brain = mind, sort of. John Tchoe 11:21:35 6/28/101 (17)
        
        Re: Brain = mind, sort of. Noctillucent 10:30:51 6/29/101 (16)
        
        Re: Brain = mind, sort of. John Tchoe 11:51:35 7/02/101 (15)
        
        Re: Brain = mind, sort of. Noctillucent 23:46:05 7/02/101 (0)
        
        Re: Brain = mind, sort of. Noctillucent 23:38:55 7/02/101 (13)
        
        Material vs. arrangement. John Tchoe 13:51:27 7/03/101 (12)
        
        Re: Material vs. arrangement. Noctillucent 20:16:20 7/03/101 (11)
        
        Now we're getting somewhere! John Tchoe 03:24:38 7/04/101 (10)
        
        Whoa Noctillucent 20:09:22 7/05/101 (4)
        
        There is no spoon. John Tchoe 12:04:12 7/06/101 (3)
        
        Re: There is no spoon. Noctillucent 07:36:39 7/10/101 (2)
        
        One step forward, two steps back. John Tchoe 12:39:22 7/10/101 (1)
        
        My reply at the top. Noctillucent 09:14:56 7/13/101 (0)
        
        Re: Now we're getting somewhere! John Tchoe 03:31:56 7/04/101 (4)
        
        Re: Now we're getting somewhere! Noctillucent 20:18:11 7/05/101 (3)
        
        Psychology. John Tchoe 12:08:44 7/06/101 (2)
        
        Re: Psychology. Noctillucent 18:47:30 7/12/101 (1)
        
        Re: Psychology. John Tchoe 15:05:24 7/13/101 (0)
        
        Re: Consciousness IS the brain? xls 08:18:49 6/24/101 (11)
        
        Re: Consciousness IS the brain? John Tchoe 14:34:04 6/25/101 (10)
        
        Re: Consciousness IS the brain? xls 08:53:20 6/26/101 (3)
        
        Re: Consciousness IS the brain? John Tchoe 13:37:06 6/26/101 (2)
        
        Re: Consciousness IS the brain? xls 15:54:25 6/26/101 (1)
        
        advanced bain Consciousness Mesgena Alem 06:31:11 10/25/103 (0)
        
        Question? Noctillucent 18:49:53 6/25/101 (5)
        
        Re: Question? xls 18:00:15 6/26/101 (4)
        
        Re: Question? Noctillucent 22:55:28 6/26/101 (3)
        
        Re: Question? xls 08:14:08 6/27/101 (2)
        
        Re: Question? Noctillucent 10:04:46 6/28/101 (1)
        
        Re: Question? xls 18:28:19 6/28/101 (0)
        
        Re: Consciousness IS the brain? Noctillucent 13:07:51 6/23/101 (2)
        
        Brain and consciousness topic-- Q Euphorion 22:34:24 7/01/101 (1)
        
        Re: Brain and consciousness topic-- Q John Tchoe 12:14:37 7/02/101 (0)
Re: Mind reducible to the brain? An argument against. xls 04:03:04 6/15/101 (14)
- Science, my friend, is NOTaxiomatic Noctillucent 15:54:54 6/15/101 (13)
  - Re: Science, my friend, is NOTaxiomatic xls 21:57:54 6/15/101 (12)
    - Physical 'reality' is only a mental construct Noctillucent 08:29:43 6/16/101 (11)
      - Re: Physical 'reality' is only a mental construct xls 14:29:59 6/16/101 (10)
        
        Re: Physical 'reality' is only a mental construct zubair 11:03:43 2/10/103 (0)
        
        Re: Physical 'reality' is only a mental construct Noctillucent 17:13:44 6/16/101 (8)
        
        Re: Physical 'reality' is only a mental construct xls 19:35:27 6/16/101 (7)
        
        Re: Physical 'reality' is only a mental construct Noctillucent 09:20:53 6/17/101 (6)
        
        Re: Physical 'reality' is only a mental construct xls 15:58:11 6/17/101 (5)
        
        A profound difference Noctillucent 19:00:21 6/17/101 (4)
        
        Re: A profound difference Karma Police 13:17:36 7/08/101 (0)
        
        Re: A profound difference xls 11:13:35 6/18/101 (2)
        
        mind is function zubair 10:15:36 2/10/103 (1)
        
        philosophy joan castillon 02:12:42 10/24/103 (0)

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