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: Somebody better throw some more wood on this campfire (judging by the number of postings - at least those visible to me) .. alternatively get Hobbes to 'spew forth' some more hot air over it. Whoever they is they sure don't take after their illustrious predecessor... I think I would be inclined to get a qualified diagnosis of your own state of affairs before I set about calling others the 'dumbest person I ever came across'.. you might have missed someone closer to home. : cYou have to be the dumbest person I have ever : : had the disfortune to meet on the internet. If : : free will was such a simple idea then it wouldn't : : be a complex philosophical issue would it? : : Well considering that the deterministic argument : : is very convincing I shall try and explain why I am : : so astounded by your stupidity. If we take the view : : proposed by you then any and all actions, such as moving : : a limb, are not at our disposal and are infact only : : the actions of a supernatural being. So you have to : : bite the bullet on that one and say you believe in God; : : which in itself is another HUGE topic. Yet you seem to : : not only be a Determinist but a Hard core Determinist. : : Where soft Determinism gives rise for some sense of freedom, : : such as freedom of thought and emotion( Which by the way shows soft determinism and hard to be falde), : : hard core Determinism allows us no room to move and infact looks allot like the : : Theory of Design, which again supports A God. Moving allong children : : we will introduce a radical idea that may break your fragile : : little minds. A very smart man once theorized that : : it is only the way in which we view our world which gives us cause for : : a immediate connection between two events. Ex: : : Billards, you hit the cue, the cue hits the target, target rolls into holl, : : sound heard; now kiddies this is the fun part! Now show me : : where there is a necessary connection that makes the target ball roll after the cue hits it? : : Well guess what there is none, Oh and for you Physics students who say by the laws : : of thermodynamics predict the movement by the formula : : (m1)(v1)+(m2)(v2)=(m1)(v3)+(m2)(v4) (This is the basic formula for collisons) : : allthough in the laws of nature this is true you aren't reading my question correctly, : : where is the NECESSARY connection that simply states that the energy put into the system : : is equal to the energy out it does not prove that the : : target ball has to move. This by the way negates the big bang by depicting each : : event as a singulr event which gives rise to free will but in the end not the free will we want : : blah I'm bored but there you go hope that enlightens you : : : : : I doubt that free will exists, and I think the only reason why peolpe hold on to this thought is that they feel very small if they agree to determinism of every human action.

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